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posted on 2004-4-5 at 21:46
Do you have the right?
In my social class today we were discussing suicide. I was completely taken by suprise when i heard that hlf the class thought that it was a right to
kill yourseld. I really could not think of how to argue it, but i just don't think its an option
anyway, i wanna hear people tal about intelligent people, so i come here So if you can please just have a serious conversation about this, and in
the end help me write my essay, I would be forever greatful
so, do you think anyone has the right to commit suicide
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 21:53
its their life, let them take it if they want
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 22:06
No one can really stop one from taking their own life, even if they don't want that to happen. I don't think it should be a right to
commit suicide. But then again, there is no law about it.
So this is the weirdest arguement ever. It's hard to explain. I'm lost. Help. But ya, the person is in control of their own life, so let
them do what they bloody want.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 22:12
I think we need some guidance here, maybe a bart, reivax, dobs? we need a very strong statement that will mke us think about it in a different way
and then we can pretend to be as smart as u
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 22:19
felt bad for not mentioning other members now. there are many ppl on thisboard who are quite intelligent. all are welcome o post, i was just trying
to encourage the usual tihnkers
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 22:35
I personally don't think it's "right" to kill yourself. However, there are always alot of things to take into consideration on
a subject like this. There is no way of answering this as a yes or no question. It's one persons opinion.
People that are Christian are going to have strong feelings that it is 100% wrong. If you kill yourself, you go to hell. It's as simple as that.
You are damned for life. The thought of WHY someone would do something like this doesn't really seem to cross their minds. God makes up their
minds. At least this is the case for the extreme church goer.
You also have to ask yourself why someone would do such a thing. There can be millions of reasons. Wife left you, no one loves you, you hate yourself,
mentally ill....and so one. Alot of people take the easy way out, even though they can easily get some help, and quite possibly, get better. Then
there are people that have suffered their whole lives mentally that just can't try anymore. There are so many factors to take in.
All in all, though, like I said, there is no answer to this...just your own opinion.
I got nothing else, folks. I tried. Hope this helps you a little Jorge.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 22:51
It is not right to kill yourself. Life is a gift, it should be appreciated as such. You have been given the gift of life. If you decide to take your
own life is like wasting an extremely valuable gift.
Suicide is the biggest form of cowardice, in my opinion.
No matter how bad things are, there is always a bright light at the end of the dark tunnel. There is always another option.
If you need help, you get it...but you don't run and hide from your problems by ending your life, people fail to realize that will not solve
anything. You just look like a chicken. You do, that's the bottom line.
No matter how much you think it is the only option, there is always a way out...always...there is always a planB. You personally might not be able to
see it, but there is someone out there who can, and they will somehow help you.
No one has the right to take their own life. It's like stealing your own money, it's like failing a course when you are an EXPERT in the
subject.
That's my view on it.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 22:54
It's so easy to say someone is wrong for killing themself... but so hard to give a good argument. Why would it be wrong to kill yourself
anyway?
A couple of reasons I can think of off the top of my head:
1. The religious reason.
Probably the most obvious. The idea being that there is a super powerful being who has granted you this life, and it is only his/hers to take as
he/she finds fit.
2. Personal moral reasons
It seems like an easy way out. If a person kills themself to get away from their problems, it's like they aren't strong enough to deal
with them. In general I think that humans have a "fighting" spirit that wants them to overcome these problems, not to mention a survival
instinct.
Now assuming you don't have these same moral values or don't believe in some higher power. What then? There are lots of people out there
like this. Why would they or would they not think it is wrong to take one's own life? I can't think of anything stopping these people from
thinking it's okay.
I think you should read the "To be or not to be..." monologue from Hamlet. There is some really deep insight in there.
Anyway, I am kind of rambling...
Maybe I will post something else later.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 23:17
Sucide is not a right at all..... its a choice. Now I agree its not a good choice, but ultimately its the individuals choice. Please do not
misunderstand I am not promoting suicide, as I am sure we have all been touched by it in some way or another. I am however willing to step back and
examine each situation with the best objectivity i can muster. When the question is raised " Does one have the right to take their life?"
the asker must contemplate "do I have the right to judge said person for a desicion based on fact or fiction in which I am not aware?" My
personal oppinion is simple....I don't know the reasons this person did this....so how can I pass judgement? I may not like the decision said
person comes to but thats life, (or death as it would be). As has been brought up in previous posts there are multiple other factors i.e. religion,
family etc. but when stripped right down there is still only 1 person making the decision....and I am not sure but I have to believe that if things
are bad enough to contemplate ending your own life, I doubt highly that the thoughts of the church or what comes after death will be crossing your
mind. Meh....just an opinion I guess
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 23:44
Suicide is based on religion, basically those who follow a religion will (generally) disagree with the concept, using phrases like "You
don't own your life, it belongs to God" and other such terms. On the other side you generally have the atheists, or the people who
don't really take in religion they just go to Church on Sundays because they're Christian (I know WAY too many people like this).
So in effect it all comes down to whether you believe you own yourself. Now, I personally don't believe suicide is wrong, I would never consider
it but I can see some merit in people who do. I don't like people commiting suicide over a failed test, or missing out on dinner, frankly fools
like that are better off dead. There are instances where I believe it is warrented. The number one time that people should have the right, is the
terminally ill. I've known a number of people who have been in pain for months and nothing can be done for them they just have to lay in their
hospital bed in agony until they finally pass on. I don't know about Canada but euthanasia is illegal here, if you give a mercy killing to an
ill individual you're tried for manslaughter (I think, possibly murder), and I think that's wrong.
On the other hand, I also knew a girl who killed herself in high school, I also know why. Looking back, when the message was said that a girl had
killed herself I just kept thinking that the wrong person died. I can understand why she did it, but I could think of a better outcome, I guess that
doesn't matter now.
I dunno if I've answered the original question since I have a habit of jumping all over the place.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 23:51
Posted by...me.
quotation:"Life is a gift, it should be appreciated as such. You have been given the gift of life. If you decide to take your own life is like
wasting an extremely valuable gift. "
I did not try to imply that life is a gift from God..and that it's in his hands what happens to you or not.
It goes a bit further than that. I mean, none of us were really supposed to be born,right? Your parents didn't HAVE to have you, they chose
to..it was their decision to do so.
You're in your mothers womb for 9 months, and for the most part your mother is trying to do all things possible for you to grow up healthy and
be born without any problems.
Then..you're born.
Your parents [again, for the most part] raise you accordingly to what they believe in. You cannot survive alone at this point.
And then, you become a teenager (I'm gonna use this example because it is more common for suicide to be commited by them) and you can actually
make decisions for yourself.
If you're willing to waste whatever amount of years you've been alive for over some stupid shit, you're a coward.
Even when you think you've tried all things to fix the situation, there is still always hope.
Sometimes it is in the most unlikely places, but it is still there nonetheless.
It all comes down to how much you believe in yourself, and how much will power and self-strength you have.
The decision is ultimately in your hands alone, and when an individual commits suicide they fail to realize that it does not just affect the
deceased, but also some people around the person (i.e family and friends)
I've known some people who have died by commiting suicide. It's impossible for me to feel sympathy for them, as cruel as that sounds.
I could never live with myself if I seriously ever contemplated it.
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posted on 2004-4-6 at 00:11
quotation:Originally posted by Pure_Ibanez_Sound
No one can really stop one from taking their own life, even if they don't want that to happen. I don't think it should be a right to
commit suicide. But then again, there is no law about it.
It actually is against the law to kill yourself. If you try to kill yourself and don't suceed they will put you in jail. I can't think
off the top of my head right now what they charge you with but they do.
As for right or wrong...I think 3 chambered heart said how I feel...who are we to judge whether it's right or wrong. But that's just my
opinion.
If you have something to say, raise your hand...and put it over your mouth.
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posted on 2004-4-6 at 03:48
I don't think anyone should ever feel that the only way out is to kill themself. I don't think anyone could ever be put in that position,
but I am a sheltered Canadain child so I can't say that for sure. I don't think anyone should eve consider it. I have never once wanted
to hurt or kill myself. I don't see how you could do that o te people tht love you. If someone i was close to commited suicide, i would be
very angry. It sounds selfish, but what they did was the most selfish thing possible. It shows that you re weak, and that you cannot handle life.
But in the end if uyou really are going to kill yourself you probably really don't care if people think your weak.
you can continue with the conversation if you would like but i think i have thought about it enugh to commit the assignment now.
Thanks guys
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posted on 2004-4-6 at 06:22
im guessing your class was talking about it cause 10 years ago today Kurt Cobain took his own life. there have been Nirvana tributes on the radio and
tv all day.
so personally (being non-religious) i go with 3 chamber on this one. suicide is a choice that you make not a right. who says that you have the right
to take your own life? who says you do not have that right? no-one, because you make the decision on your own.
above all it is a question of morals. i dont think that in any situation is suicide morally right, but that is according to my morals. this could be a
reason that many people commit suicide. most of us have reletively the same morals, because that is what we have been taught is right or wrong. but i
know that with 6 billion people in the world there are bound to be people who have completely different morals than we do, i.e. criminals. and so
because of what some people have been brought up to believe suicide may seem like an option. im not saying most people commit suicide for this reason,
just a few maybe. but i could be completely wrong though
but just to play devils advocate here, who are we to say what's right and what's wrong. what we think is right could be thought of as
wrong by someone else. right and wrong do not exist externaly. they are what we precieve them to be. if beings didnt exist to precieve them the
concepts of right and wrong wouldnt exist.
sorry i got a bit off there. i dont know where i was going with that.
anyway, Cobain. anyone have anything to say about his suicide. i did a little re-search, and it was increadable how in-depth people go. there are
actually a lot of people who think he was murdered. i really have no idea why he did it, so i dont really have an opinion on it other than it was a
great tragedy.
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posted on 2004-4-6 at 08:04
I'm not one to tell someone they don't have the right to kill theirselves although it seems pretty selfish. One that kills theirself over
something simple... too much of an easy way out and not something to waste. There's thousands dying and wishing they could live a bit longer
while some kids are throwing away their lives. It's selfish and there's consequences against it if they fail but I don't know their
reason behind wanting to do it. I'm fine with someone wanting to pull their own plug but if their reason behind it's small then it's
pointless.
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posted on 2004-4-6 at 15:56
No one can truly answer this question properly until you have been that low in your life yourself.
You can try and understand it, but you can never fully comprehend it. And people that can't comprehend it are more lucky than they know.
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posted on 2004-4-6 at 17:41
suicide is selfish. But you gotta think that there must be something wrong up stairs to commit suicide, so maybe it will do wonders to our gene
pool.
another view point is that it could just be a natural preventitive measure to reducing population... dunno
I have no problems with euthansia though.
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posted on 2004-4-6 at 19:14
selfish indeed.
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posted on 2004-4-6 at 20:56
I don't see how it can be selfish. Sure it hurts the people around you, but no one gains anything in the process. Explain more.
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They don't need to gain anything in the process... they get what they want... not thinking of anyone else.
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posted on 2004-4-6 at 22:09
they get rid of any pain they have and they pretty much just dump it onto the people theyt leave behind
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posted on 2004-4-7 at 14:27
One of my good friends committed sucide last year, it touched a lot of people, over 500 people showed up for this funeral...but its sad
I think that people commit sucide because they feel like they have no way out, they are messed up and they dont feel like people understand them and
that they dont feel like the world could be a good place
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posted on 2004-4-7 at 14:44
The girl I knew killed herself because her father would physically and sexually abuse her on a daily basis. In her situation I believe the wrong
person died, considering she pulled it off with a shotgun to the face, it angers me to think that she killed herself and not him.
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posted on 2004-4-8 at 02:04
A friend of mine in highschool was just like that Sin...she didn't kill herself as violently, but you're right the wrong person died. The
sad thing was that she was trying to get better. She was seeing a psychiatrist and going to groups and everything but she just thought it was
hopeless. However, her father killed himself about a year after her...guilt I guess.
