Sin Ogaris
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| posted on 2004-4-5 at 23:58 |
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In my honest opinion... to each his own.
I don't like Nickelback save a few songs (Leader of Men coming to mind as being my favourite). Now, you can argue about it all you want and use
as many fancy words as humanly possible but the fact of the matter is, some people are going to like it, some people aren't. Just because a
particular person has a different opinion doesn't give anyone the right to try and change it, save that for religious debates.
And you want formulaic, look at Pharrel and his bevy of songs. Ever noticed how the intro to that new N.E.R.D. song, Milkshake by Kelis and Toxic by
Britney Spears all sound the same? It's because Pharrel (the N.E.R.D. guy) wrote them all and couldn't be stuffed putting any effort in.
Then you look at the charts down here and all three songs are in the top 20. See, this would have been a much better example than Nickelback, since it
covers a genre not just a band, but hey, who am I to say what's right and what's wrong. You guys have that covered pretty well yourselves.
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Mat L
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| posted on 2004-4-6 at 19:17 |
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it may seem narrow minded to all of you but the only music at i like is ska, i think ska artists are AMAZINGLY talented, what with the walking bass
lines and the the ska chords and the use of horns, it just blows my mind. Ska makes me so happy its such an upbeat type of music... nickelback and
alot of bands like that (i.e. deafault, theory of a deadman) i dunno i just dont like it.
now im not saying Ska is all i'll listen to, if a song strikes me as being catchy and good i'll listen to it, but most nickelback song
dont do it for me, if i had a choice between hearing nickelback forever or being deaf, i'd go deaf.
Elisha Cuthbert owns you
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mr. dobalina
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| posted on 2004-4-6 at 22:14 |
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wow. off topic. sometimes reading posts feels like i've eating ice cream too fast.
Amid the chaos of that day, when all I could hear was the thunder of gunshots, and all I could smell was the violence in the air, I look back and am
amazed that my thoughts were so clear and true, that three words went through my mind endlessly, repeating themselves like a broken record:
you're so cool, you're so cool, you're so cool. And sometimes Clarence asks me what I would have done if he had died, if that bullet
had been two inches more to the left. To this, I always smile, as if I'm not going to satisfy him with a response. But I always do. I tell him
of how I would want to die, but that the anguish and the want of death would fade like the stars at dawn, and that things would be much as they are
now. Perhaps. Except maybe I wouldn't have named our son Elvis.
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armour_guitarist
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| posted on 2004-4-7 at 01:20 |
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i know what you mean Joel. i sometimes feel the same way.
anyway regarding "Someday" by nickleback, when it first came out i thought it was a pretty cool song. then it got WAY overplayed, and by
the time it got to the pop radio stations i hated it. but now i suppose that i judged it for the wrong reasons. just because i dislike pop music (well
more the whole culture that was a product of the genre) doesnt mean i should dislike songs that are played on a pop radio sation. now after listening
to someday, i quite like it. the way i did when it first came out.
but, i do find that most nickleback songs get old fast. i have silver side up which i used to love. now i havent listened to it in almost a year.
Some things take more than a lifetime.
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little_lady
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| posted on 2004-4-7 at 01:56 |
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I remember freaking out when I first saw the video for 'Someday'.
Is there a reason why most Nickleback songs are angry or somewhat depressing though?
For example, take a look at the lyrics in songs like "How you Remind Me", "Too Bad", "Figured you Out"...SPECIALLY
the last song...I mean, is this based on a true story?
His fiance just had a baby for christ's sake lol.
you won't let me down...
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Sin Ogaris
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| posted on 2004-4-7 at 02:20 |
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Uh... angst is in?
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Sin Ogaris
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| posted on 2004-4-7 at 02:37 |
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Sorry for the double post but I feel like answering mr. dobalinas question (even though there's no point since it would appear any opinion other
than his own goes in one ear and out the other, but hey, who am I to judge?).
Anyway, I disagree with mr. dobalina. Sure I dislike Nickelback (kinda, I wouldn't buy their album but I also wouldn't change the station
if they were playing on the radio), but sometimes when you're on a good thing you should stick with it. I know NB take it to extremes but there
are varying degrees of formulaic song writing, take Red Hot Chili Peppers for instance. In their early days they had a definitive design for their
songs, this gradually changed over time and they experimented outside the square and the quality of their work decreased because of it. To be honest I
would have accepted 10 more Mother's Milks if it meant By The Way would never be released.
Look at the basis for 95% of the music out there, two verses, three choruses and a bridge, are you going to chastise an artist for copying this
routine? It is still a formula, and while it's not to the same extreme as NB and their blatant repetition, it still detracts from the creativity
of the artist.
Well, that's all, can't think of what else to type.
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little_lady
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| posted on 2004-4-7 at 02:38 |
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Yeah, but...isn't 'teen angst' what's "in"?
These are songs about fathers leaving home and the mother having to support everyone, and him not wanting to see his father's face ever
again..
Then "figured you out" is just plain brutal in some parts, I mean yeah I guess it kinda deals with abusive relationships somehow, and
issues in general while in a relationship.
But..if they're not based on actual true personal experiences,what gives?
you won't let me down...
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Sin Ogaris
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| posted on 2004-4-7 at 02:41 |
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Simple, it's the trend for rock groups to write songs based upon the shittier side of life. Whether it be suicide, murder, domestic violence,
etc it's been the norm for the past 20 odd years.
And experience seems to have nothing to do with it, though I do know in the early days it was very personal for songwriters to exhibit such emotion,
now it's just whatever sells records.
[Edited on 7-4-04 by Sin Ogaris]
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armour_guitarist
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| posted on 2004-4-7 at 05:22 |
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have you heard "Never Again"? shit that is such an intese song lyrically. same abusive relationship theme. i agree with you Sin, but i
think nickleback seems to have a few too many songs about the same depressing things, like dez was saying.
Some things take more than a lifetime.
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SideO_JR
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| posted on 2004-4-7 at 05:32 |
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Ok, I'm looking at the long road, and there are only 2 of the songs that aren't somewhat depressing. one is see you at the show, and the
other is feeling too damn good, which sings about thinking he's gonna ruin it so thatm ight be considered as depressing. There are 2 songs
about people in general not living well, and the rest are about fighting in a relatonship or something along those lines(10)
interesting. I find alot of my cds are like that . Hoobastank is quite depressing as well, but not a sad sound
How do you communicate those emotions that are so intense that no physical expression or series of words can even scratch the surface?
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armour_guitarist
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| posted on 2004-4-7 at 05:39 |
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yeah, they have a ton of up-beat (ish) songs about depressing things. but then again most bands do.
Some things take more than a lifetime.
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Paige_x0x
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| posted on 2004-4-7 at 18:10 |
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quotation:
Originally posted by little_lady
Yeah, but...isn't 'teen angst' what's "in"?
These are songs about fathers leaving home and the mother having to support everyone, and him not wanting to see his father's face ever
again..
Then "figured you out" is just plain brutal in some parts, I mean yeah I guess it kinda deals with abusive relationships somehow, and
issues in general while in a relationship.
But..if they're not based on actual true personal experiences,what gives?
Actually, I was watching Much Music a while back and they were saying that the song "Too Bad" *is* based on true experiances. Chad
Kroeger's father walked out on his mother and him, and he recently just saw him for the first time in years. That song is the only song I really
like by Nickelback, because I can really relate to it. Can't say much about their other songs though.
The night's as hot as hell. It's a lousy room in a lousy part of a lousy town - I'm staring at a goddess. She's telling me she
wants me. I'm not going to waste one more minute wondering how I've gotten this lucky. She smells like angels ought to smell, the perfect
woman... the Goddess. Goldie. She says her name is Goldie.
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