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posted on 2004-4-5 at 06:52
someday you'll remind me.
personally, i despise nickleback. i have my reasons. but could it be possible that nickleback has a formula for their songs that they follow with
reckless abandon?
stick with what works? or develop yourself as an artist?
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you're so cool, you're so cool, you're so cool. And sometimes Clarence asks me what I would have done if he had died, if that bullet
had been two inches more to the left. To this, I always smile, as if I'm not going to satisfy him with a response. But I always do. I tell him
of how I would want to die, but that the anguish and the want of death would fade like the stars at dawn, and that things would be much as they are
now. Perhaps. Except maybe I wouldn't have named our son Elvis.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 07:00
its difficult to say. it depends on the band and their fans. some fans prefer to hear a new record of songs with the same style because it is what
they are used to and if it is different they whine. but as an artist i would think that it is best to develop and expand your sound if that is what
you want. if as an artist you find yourself wanting to try out different sounds, and techniques then you should. if you are writing your songs in the
same style soley in order to impress your fans, then perhaps you are writing your music for the wrong reasons.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 07:07
That is amuzing. I bet you could match up alot of othr bands(like theory of a dead man, or any band under 604 production) just the same
How do you communicate those emotions that are so intense that no physical expression or series of words can even scratch the surface?
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 07:10
do you mean the band 'theory of a nicklefault'?
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amazed that my thoughts were so clear and true, that three words went through my mind endlessly, repeating themselves like a broken record:
you're so cool, you're so cool, you're so cool. And sometimes Clarence asks me what I would have done if he had died, if that bullet
had been two inches more to the left. To this, I always smile, as if I'm not going to satisfy him with a response. But I always do. I tell him
of how I would want to die, but that the anguish and the want of death would fade like the stars at dawn, and that things would be much as they are
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 08:45
ha... that was awesome. despite the fact that i despise those songs i actually enjoyed them when put together. im sure that after hearing that, each
one on their own will sound quite bland. anyway, i'm all for development. i cant stand it when bands just write the same albums over again.
after a while it is almost second nature, and they aren't even puting that much effort into the album, and that's just no good.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 09:54
I'm no fan of their newer stuff... their older stuff was a whole lot better... but even their newer stuff is a lot better then 80% of the music
that's played on the radio today. They're no different then any other mainstream alternative rock band out there...
[Edited on 5-4-04 by nickelback_2202]
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 10:00
the dude from kansas is back
woah there are currently 22222 posts! that's a lot.
sorry. please continue...
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 10:11
It's sad to always be known as the dude from Kansas... but there's not too many around here. My girlfriend and I are moving out west to
Nevada though. I'm surprised I haven't heard any Toto jokes yet.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 10:11
quotation:Originally posted by nickelback_2202
... but even their newer stuff is a lot better then 80% of the music that's played on the radio today
i'm glad to see that someone's managed to bring up [un-supported] statistics in a thread that's based on opinion.
"rational reasoning's on line one, and he's pissed he's been on hold for so long."
refresher: thread topic: stick with what works? or develop yourself as an artist?
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amazed that my thoughts were so clear and true, that three words went through my mind endlessly, repeating themselves like a broken record:
you're so cool, you're so cool, you're so cool. And sometimes Clarence asks me what I would have done if he had died, if that bullet
had been two inches more to the left. To this, I always smile, as if I'm not going to satisfy him with a response. But I always do. I tell him
of how I would want to die, but that the anguish and the want of death would fade like the stars at dawn, and that things would be much as they are
now. Perhaps. Except maybe I wouldn't have named our son Elvis.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 10:15
What the hell was that suppose to mean? There's no reason to develop ureself if ure music's 80% better then what's on the radio...
my opinion but what isn't on this thread?
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 10:24
who'd have anticipated nickelback_2202 would have argued with me on this thread?
your opinion: "why better yourself if you're the best?"
you're more than entitled to that opinion. as a matter of fact, that's what i asked for.
i just have a personal grudge with anything that resembles off-topic points, or as most call it, "spam".
you shouldn't take offense to this post.
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amazed that my thoughts were so clear and true, that three words went through my mind endlessly, repeating themselves like a broken record:
you're so cool, you're so cool, you're so cool. And sometimes Clarence asks me what I would have done if he had died, if that bullet
had been two inches more to the left. To this, I always smile, as if I'm not going to satisfy him with a response. But I always do. I tell him
of how I would want to die, but that the anguish and the want of death would fade like the stars at dawn, and that things would be much as they are
now. Perhaps. Except maybe I wouldn't have named our son Elvis.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 15:22
It's taking a while to download, but I can imagine what I'm going to hear. Yes, it's a formula. But I don't think it's
really a totally pre-conceived thing. I think people just write what they know and like and think sounds good. I know when I play guitar, I tend to
stay to a similar style of playing and sound. It's my style. That's their style. Theirs just happens to be on the simple side. Basically,
what they do is write a 4 chord progression with majors and minors, create a simple, but nice sounding lead over top and come up with a nice verse and
ultra-catchy chorus. It may not be very technical, but not every one can do it. And I'm generalizing, big time.
It's always good to develop as an artist and it's always a respected thing, but people tend to jump and attack you when you try and do
something new. I'm not good at coming up with examples, but I think you know what I mean. Pearl Jam is a good example of this. They lose and
gain fans with every album.
But not everyone feels the need to develop and change their styles. I'm sure if nickleback did, they would lose all their fans, and I'm
sure they know that too.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 16:12
if you track to about two thirds of the way through the song, you'll notice that both songs come to a breakdown at the same time. similarily,
they both fall back into their "respective" heay riffs simultaneously.
[Edited on 5-4-04 by mr. dobalina]
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amazed that my thoughts were so clear and true, that three words went through my mind endlessly, repeating themselves like a broken record:
you're so cool, you're so cool, you're so cool. And sometimes Clarence asks me what I would have done if he had died, if that bullet
had been two inches more to the left. To this, I always smile, as if I'm not going to satisfy him with a response. But I always do. I tell him
of how I would want to die, but that the anguish and the want of death would fade like the stars at dawn, and that things would be much as they are
now. Perhaps. Except maybe I wouldn't have named our son Elvis.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 16:59
I don't think this surprises anyone. I could name 10 bands with formulaic writing like this. Nickelback is probably one of the biggest
"offenders" (if it truly is an offense). When it comes down to it, this is what people want to hear. Otherwise it wouldn't be on the
radio. It's been done, nothing scary, so the general public can like it right away without having to think about it. The record companies know
this, and they love it. By doing less work, they can get a larger piece of the market. If a "pop/rock" band started drastically changing
their style, in general they do poorly. I know there are counter-examples, but it happens a lot. The question here in my opinion is just whether
it's worth more to you to have artistic integrity than to be a popular band. Keep in mind this band is very successful, so clearly it's
working for them.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 18:10
you can't say that nickelback has not developed as a band tho. believe or not their first album, leader of men, is a very different sound then
the long road or silver side up
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 19:28
I dunno when i hear nickelback all i hear is easy alternative rock that gets way to much credit for what it is. There newest song "pants around
your feet" or whatever it's called is one of the worst songs i'd say on the radio right now.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 21:48
oops, well then, curb has a completely different sound then their newer cds. I really liked their old stuff, i was kind of dissapointed when silver
side up or whatever its called came out
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 21:51
nickelback sucks
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 21:52
i think Dobs sort of picked an unfortunate way to try and ask his question by using Nickleback as an example...
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It's easy to say "Such-and-such-a-band sucks". That is completely beside the point of this thread, though. People automatically
associate a "cookie cutter" format song with "sucking".
I will admit that I actually like the song "Someday". In fact, I like a lot of Nickelback songs, they are catchy, even if formulaic. This
does not mean that I necessarily will heap praise and respect upon the band for being "amazing songwriters". I think formulaic music
really can be a cheap way out, but it doesn't mean the songs, or the bands involved suck. You have to keep those ideas separated.
You can't always write something completely original, anyway... it's really hard to do. And if you do, it probably won't sound good
more than half the time. There is a fine line there.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 23:01
i still think they suck, i dont need to type 3 paragraphs with a bunch of buzz words to make it sound more important.
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posted on 2004-4-5 at 23:36
quotation:Originally posted by Mat L
i still think they suck, i dont need to type 3 paragraphs with a bunch of buzz words to make it sound more important.
Okay, fine you don't like them. In the interests of keeping your post topical, I'm curious if your dislike for the band has anything at
all to do with the fact that all of their songs seem to have the same approximate, and sometimes even exact format? Is it because they haven't
developped themselves as artists?
I'm not trying to make this personal Mat. My paragraphs were not trying to convince anyone that Nickelback doesn't
suck.
